Some fixed-gear riders think brakes are not strictly necessary, and brakeless riding has an almost cult status in some places, based on the perception by some riders of the experience of riding in a state of intense concentration or ‘flow’ where brakes are thought not to be needed. The brake cables are also a hindrance when doing tricks like barspins.
Other riders dismiss riding on roads without brakes as an unnecessary affectation, based on image rather than practicality. Furthermore, riding brakeless can be very dangerous, and may jeopardize the chances of a successful insurance claim in the event of an accident and, in some jurisdictions, is against the law.
It is possible to slow down or stop a fixed-gear bike by resisting the turning cranks, and a rider can also lock the rear wheel and skid to slow down or completely stop on a fixed-gear bicycle, a maneuver sometimes known as a skid stop. The skid can be held until the bicycle stops or until the rider desires to continue pedalling again at a slower speed. The technique requires a little practice and using it while cornering is generally considered dangerous. As with the technique of resisting the cranks, the maximum deceleration of this method of slowing is also significantly lower than using a front brake. A wet surface further reduces the effectiveness of this method, almost to the point of not reducing speed at all. The use of any bike without brakes on public roads is illegal in many places, but the wording is often something along the lines of “…must be equipped with a brake that will enable the person operating the cycle to make the braked wheels skid on dry, level and clean pavement…” which some have argued allows the use of the legs and gears. The retail sale of bikes without brakes is banned by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission – but with an exception for the “track bicycle” (…a bicycle designed and intended for sale as a competitive machine having tubular tires, single crank-to-wheel ratio, and no free-wheeling feature b
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September 11th, 2010 @8:28 am
This is scary. Where was the accident ? Europe ?
September 11th, 2010 @9:02 am
I remember seeing this in the news. The driver was drunk or high or both I think. What a f*cking idiot!
September 11th, 2010 @9:28 am
When it comes down to physics, logic, and legality, brakeless riding makes absolutely no sense. So if you kids want to ride brakeless then go ahead, I won’t stop you, just stop trying to justify it, because I for one am sick of engaging in this pointless and tiresome argument. By the way, the picture has nothing to do with fixed gears or brakeless riding specifically but I thought it graphically illustrated my point.
September 11th, 2010 @1:11 pm
I have enough problems avoiding cars that cut me up with brakes! I can’t even imagine going brakeless around here.
September 11th, 2010 @1:13 pm
wonderful,great,how do we bookmark this to send brakeless asshats to this page?NOT THAT THEY CARE.
September 11th, 2010 @1:15 pm
i posted this elsewhere, i will copy/paste here:
track bikes are brakeless because brakes arn’t allowed on the track. but taking a track bike onto the street changes the environment you are riding drastically. ride brakeless fixed on the street if you want, but your stopping distance will never be as short/quick as it would be if you had a hand brake. you can be the best rider ever but that still dosn’t change the fact that there are tons of horrible drivers who will pull out in front of you because they arn’t looking….not to mention a kid/runner/pet jumping/running out in front of you. in split second reactions, getting that extra bit of braking power can mean the difference between a close call and getting into an accident.
September 11th, 2010 @1:24 pm
your all pussy’s! learn to ride a fucking fixed gear or stop ridding one. take that puss brake off and be a man!
September 11th, 2010 @6:21 pm
Nice post Punch. The thing that rings the truest with me as of now is that I am soooo sick of hearing this argument. Anyone with half a brain knows what the smart/wise move is. If we could get rid of the “no brake”, “no tape” and “no cages” arguments we might be able to get on with some real recommendations. I am not thinking of anyone in particular so no one take any offense.
September 11th, 2010 @8:10 pm
I’m kinda torn on this post, I think that it’s cool that Punch gives enough of a shit about other riders to try add offer them some valuable advice. But on the flip side I’m okay with letting darwinism take it’s course, as riding brakeless is so obiviously dumb.
I’m also okay with people not wearing seatbelts, or motorcycle helmets for the same reason. Perhaps I’m just a bastard.
September 11th, 2010 @8:19 pm
Also the darwin comment is limited to adults.
September 11th, 2010 @11:56 pm
well done Punch,I too remember seeing the pic on the news,very nasty and a good image to to use to get the message across,on even another side of it,imagine driving along,windows down,kids in the back,someone bombs through an intersection on afixed straight for you,cant stop in time cos he cant decrease or he locks up and just skids,hits the side of your car goes through the side window at high speed smashing his head(99% of the time wearing no helmet)smashing his head into one of your kids heads causing serious head trauma,or in a worse case half his body pounding into the child,and to the sceptics I dont think this senario is far fetched at all as over the years there have been news reports of cyclist T boning cars regardless of whos to blame,check the link below imagine how worse he would have been if he was fixed and no brake?
http://www.3news.co.nz/Cyclist-struck-by-car-in-Auckland/tabid/309/articleID/140257/Default.aspx
September 12th, 2010 @2:32 am
bikes don’t kill people; ponies do
but seriously get off your soapbox. there are so many more dangerous things than riding without a helmet. people do dangerous things all the time yourself included.
September 12th, 2010 @2:35 am
^meant brakes not helmet^ woopsies
September 12th, 2010 @5:20 am
LOL!
September 12th, 2010 @5:49 am
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September 12th, 2010 @5:58 am
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September 12th, 2010 @6:32 am
comment.
September 12th, 2010 @9:19 am
Im all for riding with brakes but im sorry I just dont see how brakes would do anything to help in this situation.
September 12th, 2010 @9:36 am
read the first comment again.Punch states it isn’t about brake/brakeless,just a scary picture.guess he couldn’t find one of flying hipsters and dead pedestrians.too bad.most brakeless asshats can’t read.
September 12th, 2010 @9:44 am
I’m w Fab and the rest that are over this debate. These topics are a circle. And no Bad, you’re not a bastard….we do have a global population problem. I have no problem with natural selection or the people that are helping to speed up that process. Punch, cheers for tryin to make people think.
September 12th, 2010 @10:56 am
agreed NG,last word from me(probably)9n the subject.and good show Punch-where ever you are.
September 12th, 2010 @10:56 am
Looks like the car was brakeless…..
September 12th, 2010 @11:01 am
Thanks fellas, I’m just sick of having this discussion and wish my fellow cyclists would take every measure to ensure their safety. Like fab said, I’d also like to put this topic to rest and get onto more important issues, or at least issues we haven’t beaten into the ground to a bloody pulp. Cheers.
September 12th, 2010 @11:08 am
Punchie is in Portland last I heard and may very know Luftie. Cheers !
September 12th, 2010 @2:03 pm
@WSB-agree
@everyone else,its hard not to comment or put in your 2 cents on these subjects,Im tired so if its brake/brakeless or helmet/no helmet you will get no comment from me,brakeless FAIL anyone?,I can not pass jugdement on anyone for/how they ride,its just hard to understand how some people have no safety logic,peace to all
September 12th, 2010 @2:38 pm
Hardcore: Your comment is juvenile.
September 12th, 2010 @2:39 pm
Perhaps the car was riding brakeless in this one.
September 12th, 2010 @3:10 pm
Brakeless car and brakeless riders, look how it turned out.
September 12th, 2010 @6:17 pm
WHAT?!?! you put a boringly long rant on the internet then forbid other people to argue with you.
that picture is of people with road bikes! i know you acknowledged that but to use it to illustrate a point about brakeless bikes makes no sense. that picture shows that it is cars that are the real menace on our roads, that’s all.
you say riders should do everything to keep safe; this means: wearing reflective vests, helmets, reflectors, metre high flags etc. I should probably go on to point out that riding on the road with cars is not a safe activity at all so why not just avoid it altogether?
see what i’m getting at?
let people do whatever stupid self harming activity they want.
alright thats enough from me i’m gonna go ride blindfolded and helmetless in a tank of sharks but don’t worry…i’ve got brakes
September 12th, 2010 @7:03 pm
Brakes = yes. I just followed a guy for about 10 minutes through the city. I have a handbrake, he didn’t. Neither of us touched them the whole time, had fun skidding and generally pissing about. A cab pulled out. Guess who doesn’t have to buy a new front wheel and fork?
Helmets = not for me. This is a personal choice regarding ONLY my own safety, and statistically I’m much safer without one. Yes, I know it’s illegal here in Australia, but some of us have to stand up for our rights. Fucking nanny state rumble grumble…
Punchblade = Luftmensh
September 12th, 2010 @7:35 pm
Aarcadian, you did not say if the other rider went Luftborne or is a mangled toothless mensh now . Forks are cheaper than Chrome Domes.
September 12th, 2010 @10:34 pm
YOU’RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYONE’S MIND.
This is supposed to be a forum to showcase our bikes, not a place for people to preach. People who ride brake-less are doing so by choice, and most know the risks. So just leave that decision up to them and lets get back to posting pics of our bikes.
September 13th, 2010 @2:29 am
you guys can rage all you want..
i wonder if you try to force your “opinions” on the riders in your home community too?
oh and darwinism? are you kidding me???
you sirs are a bunch of fucking bike nazis. let people do what they want. maybe its different in the united states but i never heard of any brakeless rider that got killed or harmed anyone because he had no brakes. style of riding needs to be responsible. doesnt matter if you have two brakes or just one.
in my hometown i see grandmas and business guys on their expensive mtb`s that ride like assholes and they are the ones to most likely hurt anybody or cause an accident.
i always try to ride cautious.
shure logic tells you it is wrong to ride without a second brake on your bike. but i rebell against my own logic because it feels good! thats the only reason.
riding brakeless has no advantages and is stupid. but it feels great!
i still have to install a break now because my knees are really starting to hurt! you guys can laugh now!!
September 13th, 2010 @4:11 am
@WSB – the guy was ok. We weren’t at full pace, he just went over the bars and on the bonnet. Just illustrating a point about emergency stops. Anyway, of course people can do what they like.
September 13th, 2010 @4:11 am
Nice wordplay, btw. Points, sir.
September 13th, 2010 @6:01 am
Daniel, we have regulations over in US too. I thought in Deutschland they require brakes and helmet ? As it gets too crowded the regulations increase. Holland still seems unregulated with regards to headgear I think. Too many for my comfort. @ Aarcadian, did the driver Punch out the biker or did you guys hop back on and scoot ?
September 13th, 2010 @6:12 am
They were both busy apologizing to each other, and I was late, so I left them to it.
September 13th, 2010 @7:44 am
yeah you are required to have two individualy working brake systems on your bike. so riding a fixed with only a front brake would be okay. helmets are not required.
anyway im sorry for my sometimes excessive use of the f word. i just get angry sometimes and my english is not good enough to make a point so i start cursing haha
September 13th, 2010 @8:10 am
I can understand both sides. I use a front brake on my fixie not so much because of me but all the dumb ass people on the road. Depending on where you ride and what you do on your bike may impact your reasoning for the need of a brake. I ride a big gear and there is a lot of traffic in and around my city.
September 13th, 2010 @8:50 am
I also ride a big gear 42/14 or 52/18 and the hills are a challenge need an electric boost up and power brake down. @ Daniel your English is better than my Deutch and although I don’t smoke I use the f word more than 20 times a day but not in email with its memory and have yet to impress anyone with my mumbling and cussing but life can be frustrating and never did try the silly drugs and with prayer none of my foes have dropped dead yet. Ride hard and watch the knees.
September 13th, 2010 @12:08 pm
Like I said before, you guys can do whatever you want. Ride brakeless or brake equipped. It’s the false justification and “brakes are for pussies” comments that get on my nerves. This post was a logical argument presented for those type of people. If you realize it’s impractical and dangerous then it’s cool with me. As far as “bullying” that’s about as far as I go. Hopefully I can post my bike today or tomorrow once I chop my bars.
September 13th, 2010 @1:29 pm
riding fixed gear is for pussies! its all about singlespeed/freewheel without a brake! grow some balls pussies!!!!!1!!!
September 13th, 2010 @1:37 pm
ps. the reason i think so many people on here get agro about bikes not having brakes and arguing why fixed gear STREET bikes should have braks is because they get sick of the highschool hipster psuedo-jock mentality “Hardcore” so excellently demonstrated regarding “brakes being for pussies”….”if its fixed dont brake it” etc.
i will say the people with this attitude tend not to be over the age of 17, and i would have probably been the same way when i was a 15 year old skater punk. and trying to argue the valid points of stopping distance of fixed gear without brake vs. fixed gear with 15 year old me would be like trying to argue with a brick wall.
so yah ill stop getting into the brakes discussion. but i probably wont stop posting “needs a brake”, “needs bar tape”, and “needs foot retention” in the comments
September 13th, 2010 @3:00 pm
OH BTW, THESE TWO PICS REPRESENT THE EXACT REASON I ROCK A BRAKE:
http://rehype.img.jugem.jp/20090624_1225671.jpg
http://rehype.img.jugem.jp/20090624_1225672.jpg
September 13th, 2010 @3:58 pm
haha im with you illd!
and i totally get the “brakeless hipster” hate!
by the way i am 26 years old. have been riding brakeless for about 1 year straight now and i have to say it was lots of fun but also my knees are really starting to hurt. no joke.
also it is impossible to try a higher gearing or go FAST without a front brake(tried 52/16 through last winter and it killed me).but thats just my experience. i need to take a brake…hahahah!
im getting an `85 bmx cruiser (24″) this weekend. and i must confess i am totaly looking forward to some time of easy coasting and not having to ruin my knees for every red light!
just dont want to be judged as some ruthless, stupid, hipster kid.
September 13th, 2010 @3:59 pm
thanks for the compliment @wsb
September 13th, 2010 @8:16 pm
yah daniel, im 28 and another reason i ride with a brake is because i have compounded knee injuries from soccer and had a surgery, so i dont want to blow up my knee with a ton of skids!!!
September 14th, 2010 @8:11 pm
It’s hilly where I am, so I get exhausted having to skid stop my way to every intersection. Thus the brake, among other reasons. And ill, we expect the “needs a…” comments, especially from you. We’re connoisseurs after all, aren’t we? Nasty/funny picture by the way. The 1st looks like a joke, but the facial expressions of bystanders and bloody nose of the rider indicate reality. Ouch.
September 15th, 2010 @3:32 am
Ok, so Punch might not be Luft then, as we know Luft couldn’t skid. Speaking of, what’s all this talk about blowing out knees? Riding fixed strengthens the knees, and even though I run a brake, I skid 95% of the time. 3 years and the knees are holding up pretty well. At 32 years old, my best days are behind me physically, but I just don’t see it as overly stressful. Having said that, tire choice plays a big part. I used to run randonneurs and skids were a mission. The zaffiros I have now make skidding almost a thought based process. Think, skid, easy.
September 15th, 2010 @9:16 am
Agree….I had a knee problem…my guess from a soccer or skateboarding injury a long time ago. Not long after I started riding fixed that problem was gone. Riding fixed, backpedaling and skidding helped to strengthen my knee. So I guess you could say if it wasn’t for my fixed gear, I’d be riding around on one of those power chairs that you see really old people on. You know…doing a 15 point turn in the grocery store isle, beeping my horn and waving my finger in disapproval of just about everything. Thank you fixie! You saved my life!
September 15th, 2010 @9:24 am
fixed gear riding is definitely good for the knee, so is cycling in general, fixed gear even better because it works out more leg muscles…peddling forward only works forward moving muscles, gradual backwards force works backward moving muscles…
HOWEVER, riding huge gears is not very good for the knees, because the larger the gear the more force is being applied to the knee joint. also, with skidding, you are applying sudden, quick, and hard force to the knee. i dunno man, maybe skidding on a low gear is fine because its definitely less force, but all in all my physical therapist (i had knee surgery) advised against skidding altogether. i do still do it, just not all the time.
September 15th, 2010 @9:29 am
But ratio has a lot to do with knee health versus damage doesn’t it? I would think that a higher ratio is more stressing on the knees because of more chain to move at a slower revolution; low ratio less stressing, less chain, higher revolution. Right? I just know from experience that higher ratios work muscle mass and lower ratios work cardio. Also, my schwalbe marathon 700x32s take quite the effort to break loose. I’d really like to go to 700x25s.
September 15th, 2010 @9:53 am
Agree…the taller the ratio the more stress both skidding and even just starting from a complete stop. I haven’t ever felt any strain on my knee from skidding. I’m riding 46-16. I guess a lot of factors are involved but I’m sure how fluid your whole action is would play a roll. Everything from how well you release your tire, how far forward your body is and your rate of speed approaching a skid….even how well your bike fits you. Obviously the faster you’re going the easier it is…and throwing your rear wheel either left or right or both when skidding dramatically changes the the amount of stress vs. locking up and sliding in a straight line.
September 15th, 2010 @11:54 am
I have several bikes and I find the saddle height has a lot to do with wear and pain in the knee. Too low is very stessful with any ratio. @ punchblade biking works cardio and muscle mass both. On my 3 speed in low up a hill it is pumping the heart plenty and fixed same story. Skidding not yet, only on the occasional coaster brake ride.
September 15th, 2010 @12:12 pm
What a piece of shit. Not only drunk but actually fell asleep at the wheel… I hope this fat slob rots behind bars. http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/drunken-driver-collides-bicycle-race-killing-one-cyclist-and-injuring-10-others
September 15th, 2010 @1:44 pm
Man, I totally missed this post. I won’t reiterate my feelings on brakeless riding.
I think the thing that keeps me from freaking out entirely is the fact that right now, riding brakeless on the road is completely the result of a trend and all trends pass over time. Hopefully after this winter weeds all of the fake cyclists out the trend will move onto something else and we won’t have to deal with it anymore.
September 15th, 2010 @2:22 pm
And onto a video of a song called DickHead that captures some of the spirit of some righteous fixed gear riders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I&feature=player_embedded&has_verified=1
September 15th, 2010 @5:43 pm
Wooden, I meant more along the line of muscle building versus muscle toning, such as lifting light weight at high reps or heavy weight at low reps. I had heard that spinning tones your muscles and strengthens your cardio, whereas higher ratios increase the amount of muscle. Obviously one still uses cardio at a high ratio, but it seems that each end of the ratio spectrum will produce different results. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m just looking for clarification.
September 15th, 2010 @8:20 pm
Thanks LuftPunchMensh , I don’t really know except I look more like pee Wee Herman than Hulk Hogan. But I could probably beat Hulk in a 10 km. bike ride .
September 16th, 2010 @3:11 am
Brakes or no brakes, helmet or no helmet, non of us stand a chance against drivers like this.
Keep your eye on and follow the cyclist that rides through the cross roads in the link…
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=65d_1283432350
September 16th, 2010 @8:05 am
That’s funny you think that, Wood. Rusty, let me reassert my point: brakes are good but there’s not much you can do about bad drivers except avoid them. But if they’re drunk and asleep, well, you’re basically screwed.
September 16th, 2010 @9:21 am
Rusty, that is one of the most f’d up things I’ve ever seen. At first I thought it was a hoax since I couldn’t figure how the car avoided the other oncoming car. I dug a bit on google and found it in the news. It said it was a female driver and the cyclist was an old man. The only positive thing I can think of is that he probably didn’t feel a thing. I hope the driver spends the rest of her life in prison.
September 16th, 2010 @9:37 am
i try to avoid violence at all costs, but watching that woman go into the opposite lane and violently kill that cyclist and not even stop afterwards makes me want to do violent things in retaliation to the driver. please tell me she was arrested and is in jail for the rest of her life.
September 16th, 2010 @9:50 am
@ Punch
I agree totally. I ride with brakes.
Ride vigilantly ya’ll and keep safe.
September 16th, 2010 @9:50 am
Rusty, that video is mind numbing. The cyclist could easily be me once or twice a week in the same vulnerable riding positon. Thanks It is hard to imagine so many people not stopping and helping.
September 16th, 2010 @10:59 am
ill, I’m not the violent type either….but I would have pulled that bitch out of her car and gave her a u-lock dental exam…then I’d have locked her neck to the nearest pole until the police showed up.
September 16th, 2010 @12:06 pm
makes MTBs look better and better.trees don’t run away.
September 16th, 2010 @1:50 pm
@ng. I like that U lock dental exam and follow up. In rusty’s video I am in a similar riding position as the victim a couple of times each week . It could happen anywhere at any time, makes me want to stay on the sidewalk more all the time, which I do some of the time.
September 16th, 2010 @2:29 pm
I hear you Wooden. But driving like that should get you mandatory jail time and license revoked permanently even if nobody is hurt or killed. That is far from normal.
September 16th, 2010 @2:53 pm
I would really like to see motorized vehicles OFF the road one or two days each month and walk and bike only. Critical Mass type eyeopener. And banish those wretched electric carts in the grocery store please for the French Fry Fatasses.
September 17th, 2010 @3:44 am
Good idea WSB!! Car free roads for cyclists once a week would be cool. Lets start a Facebook group / petition, LOL
September 17th, 2010 @9:13 am
they actually SORT OF do that in san francisco, although i think its only for a block or two…i think once a month, they close down the block where there are lots of little shops/coffee/bistro/cafes/restaurants/etc….and they will put lots more seating outside on the sidewalk and people can walk the roads freely without cars. havn’t attended (dont live in SF anymore) but it sounds nice! although, parking already is a huge gigantic bitch everywhere in san francisco lol
September 17th, 2010 @9:50 am
One city block would be a decent size. I agree with woody. Close the roads to only commuters or those running necessity errands (groceries, furniture) and then have two days of bikes and pedestrians only. Show me where to sign.
September 17th, 2010 @9:54 am
the trouble with special treatment for bikers is the creation of a hostile us vs. them mentality.if making life easier for one group makes it harder for another(parking)things get nasty in a hurry.I long to be part of a faction that has earned the respect of motorists whether we ride for transportation or enjoyment.oh well,I can drean can’t I?Meanwhile extra caution goes a long way so ya’all be careful out there hear?
September 17th, 2010 @12:08 pm
I agree with Slo. As cool as it’d be to have the roads all to ourselves, the trade off wouldn’t be worth it. When the motorists got back on the road too many would be out for blood. This type of behavior is evident the day after Critical Mass. Such a fine line both us cyclists and motorists walk with each other. I have come to realize though that any sign of weakness or indecision on the part of the cyclist will almost always be exploited by the driver, immediately. For me…eye contact and an aggressive yet respectful stance on the road has worked. Here in San Diego if there’s no bike lane the cyclist has the right to a full lane. We flat out make them change lanes to pass.
September 20th, 2010 @12:34 am
This has been interresting reading. I’m not here as frequently these days and I see we still have the same debates going on. What to say? Maybe being cool with no brakes isn’t clever, never has been and never will be. Those who pull it off and live to a ripe old age will undoubtably look back, as mortality starts to raise it’s ugly head, and think. What they think will be entirely up to them. I will not be putting my thoughts in thier heads.(there may not be enough room anyhoo)
As for skid stops? I can’t aford new tyres every couple of months so, I leave that for the teenies on the bikes they got for thier birthday. Off road, where the surface tends to be loose or moist, then yeah. Doing trail corner sideways with feet strapped in, holding it on the back brake feels way COOL.
Sometimes I even make it round without ending up in a big pile of nettles. Knowing I haven’t shed half a ton of surface contact that I was hoping to rely on for the ride home gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. I grew out of enjoying the ‘flat spot bounce’ once I started doing propper mileage instead of just racing my mates round the block( age 13,I think) So cheers for your time. Yes I ride with brakes, no I hate wearing a helmet, yes there are car drivers who will kill cyclists every year no matter how you ride and it is getting no safer with every day. Yes I sometimes feel like a “pussy” if I use a cycle lane coz I’m a “ROAD” cyclist. Then I think of the time and expense that it must have taken to get the path made and I’m gratefull to those faceless councillors and do-gooders that made it possible. I watched that clip of the cycle accident in horror. The distance travelled by the bike,body and arm left me cold. Yes, that was his arm bouncing along the road. Look again if not sure, or morbid enough. Only being on a cycle lane, or in a truck would’ve saved that man. I can only hope that it eill always be a truck that these impatient drivers meet in future. Stay safe every one.
September 20th, 2010 @1:24 am
for some reason rustys link didnt work,I tryed it again today and it worked,how f**king sad,my heart sank,I am one of these people that is sensitive to the unlawful careless distruction of a human life deserved or not,but I do have to watch if nothing to acknowledge that life is delicate and we should all be humbled now and then,I know if I showed that clip to some people they would be saying”woa that shits cool,check out how far she flu”but I know no matter how they talk their heart would still be sadened,some of you may say “notice how hardly anyone stopped except for the car that had no choice”well what could you do…nothing and thats the saddest part,AND shows that if your a person that says “I am safe and in control,it won’t happen to me”think before you speak,nobody is immune.If I could compile all the accidents from drunk drivers,dickheads,boy racers(I think you guys stateside call them Tuners)over the last few years here in NZ both bike and non bike related,you would see that most of the ones that create the crash walk away while the innocent die,lately there have been alot of police chases where the speeder has crashed,the driver lives and his mates all die,we are talking about 15-19 year olds both boys and girls,its getting to be a weekly thing,kinda makes the brake/brakeless debate a bit redundent really,and dam I said I wouldnt comment anymore…..well I am only human,life isnt fair alot of the time so I just get on a bike and ride,apart from my own family its the next best thing to serenity
September 20th, 2010 @5:04 am
i just watched the video clip and it really brakes my heart.
it makes me so sad and so angry…
September 20th, 2010 @5:57 am
I had not realized it was an arm, I thought the cyclist had a package. very sad indeed. Sounds like things are bad in a global way. US UK NZ patience is losing ground. :More brakes, less horsepower would be a good thing. We all need to ride bikes and 66 volkswagens with 1300 cc. engines. no cell phones etc.
September 20th, 2010 @10:14 am
That video made me so angry and sad that I searched to find out what if anything happened to the driver. Said she was arrested the following day….Couldn’t find any additional info. I hope she’s in prison for life…a fate worse than death.
September 20th, 2010 @8:22 pm
considering NZ has only just over 4 million people living here the odds in this article are not very good,730 cycle injuries and 10 deaths a year on average,for a country that boasts beautiful tropic climate,friendly people,was once rated one of the most beautiful places in the world(still is I think) we have some of if not the highest and worst rankings in the world for driving,violance,child abuse,drugs/alcohol and so on,so the future for cycling peace of mind and safety/infastructure within our land would be close to the bottom of the list,I love my country as most of you love yours,but something has to change to make it better,cycling has come a long way since the surge from the 70′s (mainly in U.S)but it needs to go further,our aproach now is to educate driver behaviur rather than ask for cycle lanes
http://can.org.nz/media/2008/cyclist-fatalities-show-need-for-better-infrastructure-and-motorist-behaviour
September 20th, 2010 @9:01 pm
I ride past a middle school on my way to work. 7th and 8th graders about a 1000 of them. Last year the bike rack had only two bikes most days. This year about 10 or 12. I ride all year even in the snow and try to go past the front of the school to give them a hint. Winter is coming, we will see how it goes. Several of the boys have commented about my Small bikes, the 20 inch folders with ape hangers or North Road bars which compared to todays flat bars look to them like strange pieces. I was the same in High School, walked a mile and should have ridden the bike. Some progress is being made but I worry about the Government license or regulate the biking and get a piece of the dollars.
September 20th, 2010 @9:26 pm
yer,this year our registration(tax) for cars and motorbikes went up heaps and is going up again as our GST is going up from 12.5% to 15%,rego for a petrol car for 3 months is nz$76,6 months is $145 and 12 months is $282,diesel cars is nearly twice as much,warrent of fitness(6monthly) $45 so thats over $300 a year to have your car legally on the road,add petrol,91 octane $1.75 a litre,tyres,maintanence,insurance you would think more people would ride or use public transport apparently not,as we are a car loving nation,I have 3 vehacles but can only afford to run the family car (honda odyssey,great car)even tho I ride to/from work,my car hasent been legal for nearly 6 months now,bike sales are up last and this year but the government want to do registrations and warrent of fitness on the over 1 million bicycles here,death and taxes will be the end of us….death and taxes
September 20th, 2010 @11:04 pm
Amen.
September 24th, 2010 @8:27 am
That video is horrible. It’s sad that only one person checked to see if they were okay. I agree with ng, she should rot in prison. Ride safe boys and girls.
September 25th, 2010 @12:24 am
That video is sickening and insane. I feel like I just saw a snuff film. literally gives me shivers
September 25th, 2010 @1:23 am
@ Punch-agree about no one checking but I can imagine that actually being there and coming apon that scene would be 10 times more shocking to see than watching it on a grainy b&w video cam,I can well imagine that most people there would be traumatized,my wife can speak from experiance,she had just come up on a car accident(ems,fire,cops already there) she had seen a dead infant on the side of the road,luckely she managed to distract our at the time young daughters in the back by showing them some cows on the other side of the road,even tho she wanted to stop and help(nothing she could have done)the scene was not a pretty site and kept going,she was taumatized for a few weeks,we are a strange race us humans,we stop and subconciusly (without sounding too spiritual)sound out a preyer for a safe journey and take some of their pain with us as we carry on,sorry guys I get pretty deep when it comes to mind,body and soul & need to express my feeling,ride safe,ride strong
September 25th, 2010 @2:30 am
you know that ill,painful feeling in your stomach and tha ache in your heart?….yer thats the piece of the pain in someones spirit we take with us,well thats my belief anyway.
September 25th, 2010 @7:15 am
only bad part of my morning rides is the wildlife count(roadkill).this morning was especially bad.4 squirrels,3 ‘possum,3 coons and a deer.ya I know they’re “only”animals but still God’s creation and a life force.I have been spared real gore human scenes but don’t know how EMS workers do it.Bless ‘em all.
September 25th, 2010 @9:28 am
Too many dead animals in the city here, too, slo. Ryan, have you ever read Ray Bradbury’s short story “The Crowd”? It deals with where the crowds come from so suddenly at the scene of an accident. This life is a strange one. We humans experience such horrors, yet we triumph by living despite such traumas. I can’t imagine seeing what your wife saw, Ryan. Sad, mais c’est la vie.
September 25th, 2010 @10:06 pm
thanks Punch,Im pretty sure I have a Ray B short stories book somewhere actually,have to have a look and see,altho most of my books are Dean Koontz,I reckon he’s way above Steven K altho i like his work too.
September 27th, 2010 @2:10 pm
The photo (and video) caused a lot of conversation here about the pros and cons of brakes. I don’t see why. Brakes (or the lack thereof) had nothing to do with this horrible accident. I’m sure that every road racer there had two perfectly good brakes. From what I understand, the cause was a criminally negligent driver.
September 29th, 2010 @9:13 am
wtf? they all had brakes!! maybe the car didn’t but they did! those are road bikes..
October 12th, 2010 @9:20 pm
fixed gears, free wheelers, bmx, and speeders how about riding to your ability.
end the war deal with brake-less riders some of those cats are very good and can handle there bike. others well we see the others. for all you brakeless riders no one mentions the crazy stuff the’ve seen I saw a fixie, suicide skid over his handle bars and close a door of a car before he got clipped. Blew my mind!
I have also seen a 10 speeders who think they are on the tour going 25 in chicago rush hour traffic.
Having rode and ride both styles of bikes I know what I can do In most situations, but an inexperienced rider who relies on brakes for everything gives him or her a sense of over confidence, yet in a real emergency that bike with wheels that are flat, all of its components squeak, and is straight off the assembly line right to sports authority still has the dust on it form storage where it was kept all winter… is just as dangerous on the road as any brake-less rider
ride hard, ride fast, ride safe, and watch out for yellow cars they dont stop, or they stop to quick
October 12th, 2010 @9:47 pm
Yes chris. I need another beer… I’m with you……I think.
October 13th, 2010 @4:12 am
another great,super experienced,talent laden,stupid organ doaner.yawn.
October 13th, 2010 @8:57 am
Hmmmm. I had too many beers it seems. Brake, chris.
October 13th, 2010 @12:48 pm
Chris, in true Chicago Rush Hour traffic, the cars go 12 miles per hour. If a biker goes 25 mph he will be passing a lot of yellow cars (Taxi) and the chances of getting doored are good. You will make a terrific Hood Ornament some day.
October 13th, 2010 @8:35 pm
woody,
the cta buses in the city, especially down the mag mile, go as fast as they want, and joe business man on his black berry driving his bmw does not care about riders to call me a hood ornament after putting 20,000 miles on chicago streets, is just naive. Im not a hipster and because I choose to ride a variety of bikes to become a better rider makes me what, oh an organ donor. You all preach but I bet you cant even pull off a 5 second track stand.
October 13th, 2010 @9:30 pm
Them’s fightin words!!…. Track stand competition! I’ll do a seated track stand for 6 seconds…in front of railroad tracks. Wut!!!
October 14th, 2010 @6:05 am
Sorry Chris,that should have been potential organ donor,you may never have an incident.And you would lose the trackstand bet too.Free tip-don’t play poker if you don’t trust the odds.
October 14th, 2010 @10:38 am
Chris, congrats you can trackstand, because that’s what makes a safe and experienced rider. I can handle myself with or without my brake. In fact, I predominately backpedal and skidstop, and only brake when a car cuts me off. So just because I have a brake doesn’t mean I’m “over confident” in it’s effectiveness; it’s a method by which to prevent certain consequences of physics, not to stop them entirely. And I don’t know about you, chris, but my bike isn’t fresh off the sales floor, so I relax in knowing everything is tight, safe, and functional. I am also not so naive and “over confident” to think that a brakeless fixie and brake-equipped roadie are comparable, that’s just a stupid assumption.
As I’ve said numerous times, which you folks would know if you took the time to actually read the post, the picture has nothing to do with fixed gears or brakeless bikes. It’s merely a graphic image depicting the violence of a bicycle-vehicular collision to illustrate my perception of the danger and ultimate consequence for riding brakeless, which is getting hit by a car. So yes, I realize it’s irrelevant, but obviously not entirely so if it’s provoked and encouraged discussion of brakeless riding, pros and cons, and bicycle safety in general; I’d say it’s served its purpose.
October 14th, 2010 @8:54 pm
punchy,
I like this posting my point and my only point is to ride to your ability
I ride as safe and in control as any rider I ride a fixie on the lake shore late at night or on the track. my bikes all have at least an emergency brake except rumble bee which is a track only ride. I agree with your point, but its not just the fixies its everyone that has to be more aware from cars to 10 speeders .
Im done with conversation to many people assume your point without knowing the who you are
December 2nd, 2010 @1:34 pm
you dumb son of a bitch what gives you the right to post this shit with your little asperation to be some great bike advocate?the last thing i want to see when i come to this site or one like it is people having a bad bike experiance or pain or death.you asshole you think the people related to that accident dont relive it enough or a reminded by it constantly.good job way to stimulate and represent a topic that has no place on this site you fuck.try bouncing off of cabs for 15 plus years being a meesenger or see someone at a race in a mountain stage go over the edge or similar event then you will know why people talk about bikes and thier comments on them and not a good dam this day in history forum i hope you rack your nuts right after you read this and if you dont next time you bite it remember some people try to forget jag off
December 4th, 2010 @5:08 pm
Chi town hustler, read this again when you sober up and apologize. Chris, I am glad you have that brake and yes the CTA buses go fast and are as big as a house, watch out for the draft as they blow by.
December 4th, 2010 @8:47 pm
Punchy – cool soapbox, bro.
February 14th, 2011 @3:32 pm
WOW!!! that’s absolutely amazing!
love this one..
February 14th, 2011 @3:33 pm
wow! that’s amazing!! love this one..
February 27th, 2011 @4:21 pm
i don’t know…..
March 4th, 2011 @5:11 pm
No new posts in 8 days. Did the editor die in this accident or similar.
March 17th, 2011 @1:18 pm
Punchblade,
Although I agree with you riding brakeless is not smart, I would love to see you explain the physics behind riding brakeless.
March 27th, 2011 @5:07 pm
There will always be people for and against and both sides have their valid arguments. Here’s my story.
I ride my fixed gear every day for at least 5 miles, often more. I have a 49×17 ratio. I used to ride a conversion and made it a habit to skid although I had a front brake. When after a few months I got into an emergency situation where a car cut me off I skidded and didn’t grab the brake. At that point I realized that even though I had a brake for backup, I didn’t grab it because it wasn’t in my system anymore.
Shortly thereafter I got a vintage track frame with no brake holes. It is a pleasure to ride and I was not planning to mess a piece of history up by drilling holes for brakes. Guess what: I am a much more conscious rider because I know there is no backup method, it’s just me and the pedals. Any responsible person knows at that point that you shouldn’t go faster than one can control. That’s all.
True, it takes time to become adept at it so you need to ride it with a backup brake (and don’t ride any other bike in-between) for a considerable time. After that, you’re pretty much one.
Is there a difference in experience? There certainly is. BTW I’m from the Netherlands, we’ve been riding bikes since we can walk. Maybe that’s my luck, riding a bike isn’t as much of a big deal here as it is in some countries.
Peace!
March 27th, 2011 @5:11 pm
Oh and about skidding while turning: It’s an acquired skill. Slowing down AND changing the direction of your path is a very good idea when you are in a collision course and have limited braking capabililites. It just needs practice when not in emergency, and it takes a lot of practice to become second nature. (Any martial artist reading along can confirm how much training is needed to make an acquired skill a habit.) It’s not something that is fundamentally impossible though, we just need to get off our lazy bums and put some effort in it. Or sport brakes. Just sayin’.
March 27th, 2011 @7:03 pm
I say this all the time.. if you live a flat area I believe you can get by with no front brake. Holland just happens to be flat as hell so I would agree with not drilling holes in the classic frame/fork.
When you live in a hilly area like myself tires get burned out way to fast. I’m to cheap too buy tires every 2-3 weeks and too lazy constantly skid on the way to the store or work.
I would also agree if you get into the habit of only skidding you will probably forget to grab that brake when the time comes. I try to constanly switch it up.. I might be comming down a steep hill and start to apply some back pressure on the pedals, then tap on the front brake here and there, and then when I reach the light come to a skid stop.
March 28th, 2011 @12:21 pm
@Nick O
You raise excellent points. Indeed Holland is for the most part flat as a pancake, and I have nearly zero experience with hilly areas. I don’t know where you live but I’ve been in SF and I can really imagine tires wear out like crazy in such an environment. I’d probably ride just like you when living in your area.
My point was mostly against people who think: “Riding brakeless is stupid and dangerous, period.” It’s just about riding responsibly.
I do very much dislike fixed gear-ish builds with coaster brakes or freewheels though, that just screams: “Not getting it”.
March 28th, 2011 @3:51 pm
single speeds and coasters are valid types of rides,as are fixies.For me it is about the simplicity of the mechanicals. Fixed gears are great at the beginning of the season for getting pedal stroke back in shape.After a few weeks the novelty wears off and flip-flop goes the hub and away we go. And a coaster knockabout is as much fun as drunk monkey! Bust a few skids without the knee pain! Fixed is great once in a while though.
March 28th, 2011 @7:27 pm
I dunno.. after riding fixed for about a year now I feel extrmely odd hoping on any type of freewheel bike.. almost like i dont have the control. When I get on my bike it becomes a part of me and everything is second nature.
@Peter – I’m from SF and now living in Japan. The hills are no fun.. Trust me I would way rather be cruising on some flat dutch roads brakeless.
I think alot of people watch MashSF and Macaframa and think they can bomb hills like those guys and end up getting hurt. That’s why 99% of the time I say, “Throw a front brake on it”. Becasue it is not like it hurts you to have one unless you’re trying to barspin or w/e.
March 28th, 2011 @11:36 pm
@Sloman
To each his own, I guess. I ride fixed and fixed alone daily for little over two years now. The knee pain will go as your body gets used to it, or it’s the gearing. I started with 45×17 and now run 49×17, every tooth more caused me a week or two of pains. Here in Holland we got many people building a “fixed gear”-like bikes without ever trying fixed gear because they assume it is too difficult.
What I just love about fixed gear is how the pedals always move. There is nothing like the slight ways in which you can manipulate speed.
@Nick O
I can well imagine. I’d love to try out the hills in SF but I’ve seen some are rather steep and I have no illusions of my skills on that kind of terrain. I would guess it feels like skiing the black slope, constantly braking, which probably wears you out.
April 26th, 2011 @12:35 pm
been riding bikes since 4, motorcycles since 14 (dirt, then street). whats crazy is as a kid I would take off with my friends for hours first thing Saturday morning and head to the beaches. sometimes we had brakes, sometimes not. maybe the cable snapped or the lever broke off on a bailed jump, no coaster whatever. we were always in traffic and as aggressive as you like without a care in the world. wore out my right shoe sole stuffing it between the fork crown and tire sometimes getting a hot foot, but never thinking of it as an issue. now that I’m older I cringe when looking at kids riding without helmets or brakes.
go figure.
April 26th, 2011 @1:38 pm
SC, for real. It’s crazy thinking back on how we rode back the day. Reckless and indestructible. Now I’m a father and look at everything very differently. Hey I posted on your bike…asking about your fork. What kind is it?
April 26th, 2011 @1:46 pm
my comment from this morning is under “moderation”… here’s the quick of it. It’s my LBS private label the showed up right after Interbike… so its either Livery’s or someone makes really good knock offs. I included links which is probably why its under moderation.
November 7th, 2011 @1:02 pm
I rode brakeless for many years and pure dumb luck saved me many times from not having a brake. Now I have a brake and use it in emergencies.
November 9th, 2011 @9:31 am
I just recently installed a brake also. Best decision i ever made. Ride smart and safe kids!
January 7th, 2012 @7:58 am
i ride brakless because it makes you less of an idiot on the rode, once equipped with a brake people fly along the streets then having to slam on the front brake flip over your handlebars and smack your head, the only accident i have had on a fixed gear was because of a front brake thus the reason i took it off, i was speeding into an intersection when a car pulled out in front so i slammed on the front brake and went over my bars, now that i ride brakeless i always slow into intersection. What type of bike you ride is not always the key point of blame its the rider, brakes or no brakes dont be a fucking idiot and you wont get hurt
January 7th, 2012 @9:11 am
re:idiots on the”road”.Highly unlikely the brake alone caused you to go over the bar,the brake(rim type not disc)doesn’t generate enough grip. More likely you failed to shift weight rearward or impacted something to cause sudden stop. If you like to ride slow by all means ride brakeless. Brakes let you go fast because you can stop fast if need be. In most “road” accidents the fucking idiot is in a several ton steel box and any tool you have to avoid contact is a good thing. Your ass so your choice -I choose fast. Hope this rant doesn’t start the brake wars again. Always a personal choice until the law says different.
January 13th, 2012 @7:38 am
you are correct about the several tonnes idiots, and your right whoever rides a fixed gear is all good in my books, brakeless is just a personal preference, although i am running a brake atm for legal reasons, and also for me to accquire a brkae is expensive because the brakes to fit my track bars are hard to find cheap, cheapest i found was like 90 bucks, so i currently am running with bullhorns and a brake
March 6th, 2012 @3:58 am
what’s the picture got to do with riding brakeless?
March 10th, 2012 @8:41 pm
i think it’s a metaphor.
March 11th, 2012 @4:16 am
BC,new gravatar.Grateful Dead?(WOW I’m old).
March 11th, 2012 @6:49 am
Tokyo fixed sticker I belive?
March 11th, 2012 @12:44 pm
Yes Tokyo. Just wanted a change.
March 27th, 2012 @7:28 am
If you can’t ride a fixed gear without a brake then you should stop whining and go get a girly man hybrid with a shopping basket on the front and stop knocking those of us wit the skilz to ride a proper non-pussy bike.
May 20th, 2012 @11:04 am
horses for courses. over the years while being very skint, my brakes have sometimes been so bad, I’ve needed a foot on my back tyre to stop sometimes. stupid i know, but i never hit anything.
I ride my fixed gear with no brakes and have way more control and watch what i’m doing. some fixie riders are riding 2 mins down the estate and spending hours in a carpark doing trick riding and brakes would get in the way. for loads of road riding at speed; a brake is a good idea.
May 20th, 2012 @4:37 pm
yep.
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