very nice track frame wasted.thats all folks

Not sure about the name, but I like the bike.

He’s probably a lefty.

first off want one of these mystic rats(the name cinelli gave it)althought i didn’t realize they had braze on’s. second sloman its not a track bike not to break balls but braze on’s should be a clue. third luft really you’re hating on radial lacing?.

that looks like ” del pasado 2010 ” frame isnt?

so that great non-track bike wasn’t cool enough for him so he stripped off the brakes.another friggin idiot.lemmings on bikes,but sooo coool man.and it still looks like a track frame to me,with braze ons for street use by non-morons. PS Sup,thanks for that link.Big C comes right after Big B for me.we can dream eh.cheers

I don’t like asymmetry. And supposedly it’s a less durable lacing than 3x.

it can be as durable when done right,useing correct gauge spokes,thread lok and not overly high tensions.As usual the opperative word is right.

And for curb hopping and suburban mashing radial lacing makes absolutely no sense for commuting. Yet another hipster trend with no basis in logic, like the ongoing bare bar debate.

As far as I’ve ever known a no cross lacing is specifically for shorter spokes (less weight) but mostly for a stiffer wheel. Not having to cross over any other spokes means less flex in the spokes. I agree there is no real good reason to use them for commuting as opposed to a standard 3 cross wheel. I’ve never found them any easier or harder to true or keep true but there really doesn’t make enough of a difference to the average commuter. I think it comes down to a lot of what the fixed gear commuter world is right now; ‘I don’t know anything about this part but it looks cool so I’ll buy it.’

As for the bike; I know chinelli is just another company and they’re subject to changes of demand in the market like anyone else but I’m kind of sad to see them give in to the fixed commuter trend. The idea of companies making the bikes specifically to fit the trend kills the whole conversion part of the process. I guess the up side is that the true chinelli track that are not meant to be commuter bikes won’t be hacked into trend machines. I take back my original sentiment. Good diversion Chinelli!!!!

no matter you skill level,someday your luck level will run out and some air head in a car will cut in or open a door or run a stop sign and then you will really use your head.or chain will drop,yada-yada-its your butt(head?)Darwin rules.And it is a track frame with braze ons added for commercial sale to the trendoids,who then remove the brakes anyway.duh.check the geometry ace.

i don’t know slo geometry does’nt look particularly trackish. just looking at the rear triangle and the rake on those forks. don’t see what the big deal is?

yep the bike here was in Rome for a great alleycat!

@SbrankJoe – you’re just saying whatever you can and ignoring logic to justify fashion in place of common sense. First riding brakeless doesn’t improve your senses in any way that they couldn’t be improved by paying attention riding with brakes. Improving your senses is based off of what YOU do and not what your bike has or doesn’t have. The only thing that taking a brake off does is force you to ride slower in most cases. Second of all you ARE a huge risk to other bikers and not so much from the fact that you don’t have a brake as much as the combination of the fact that you don’t have one and you think that you’re not a risk. You are either not considering a worst case scenario where you need to stop immediately because of unforeseeable circumstances or you are considering it and judging that you are willing to take the risk even though people around you may be hurt. It’s more than just your health and well being out there at risk.

The big underlying problem I have with your statement is you ignoring the very very obvious; just because you have a brake on your bike does not mean you have to use it all of the time. You can do everything you want on a fixed gear and not touch the brake but still have it there for when that unforeseen circumstance does happen and the brake could save your life or lives of people around you or at the very least just save you from getting hurt in general. You’re taking it off not for any special or nobel reason. You’re taking the brake off because the TREND right now is to ride without one. When it comes down to it you’ll eventually either learn down the line that it makes sense to put a brake on your bike for both safety and over all body health reasons or you’ll fizzle out and find the next thing to move on so I don’t really care what you do. Just don’t try to make it seem like you’re doing something special by taking brakes off of your bike and spread your bad habits to other younger cyclists that don’t know any better yet.

LOL!!!!

I don’t know about Mystic Rats but some of the other names are Hendrix tunes.Is there something in their water?Cool

I ride brakeless, and I will say I don’t do it to look cool. Really a wire and a lever will not make a fucking difference, plenty of great looking bikes have brakes on them. It makes me feel like a better rider, and actually does make me more causious. My friends with breaks ride through reds like they are greens, and get hit because they think the brake can save them. I still go very fast on my bike, but just slow down when I see a yellow light.

@ surfadude5543 All kidding aside, I see riders out there on the mean streets riding brakeless. Some blow me away with voodoo, mad-skills. Humbling to be sure; as they spin circle around my sorry ass. You make a good point, any contingency has the potential to create a false sense of security. Helmets are a good example. They make a lot of sense on motorcycles but I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t make much difference on a bicycle. Do I feel better with a helmet? Or do I feel better without one? Like you; “feeling” safer brakeless or helmet-less will effect my safety in a positive way. If only because it effects my attitude and desire to live based on highly developed abilities not a reliance on a contingency. But on some days I feel differently and put on a helmet. Usually on a day when I know I’ll be distracted. I am human after all, even if helmets are decidedly un-cool. Another example: there are, in fact, less car-related fatalities since airbags. Why? is it the technology? Or, are there many other factors? With Fixed gear, brake or brakeless; the problem is no hard data. Still, my anecdotal evidence tells me that (on an unpredictable roadway) a brake is more than just a good idea. Too many brakeless-masters that I know, with voodoo mad-skills in need of facial reconstruction, or the loss of a foot. Too late to admit an addiction to adrenalin that impeded common sense.

The above bike doesn’t have a brake in spite of braze-ons. Much of the bike’s discussion was about that fact. If you read the chain above you will see that but feel free to chime in and change the subject. Hows that message board you NEED to go start coming?

My “emergency” brake has saved my ass a few times. I don’t care how skilled or careful you are…there are a lot of bad drivers and no amount of skill or jedi powers is gonna change that. Brakes? Helmets? Looking cool? You know what doesn’t look cool?…..smashing into some jack ass’ car door because they didn’t see you, pulled out and you couldn’t stop in time…….or a big dent in your head. Helmets ARE cool….just not a lot of’m look cool. JQ, you’re kidding right?…about a helmet not helping on a bike. Im pretty sure if I hit my head goin 30mph it’s gonna suck…a lot. And way worse without a helmet. ‘bern’ makes nice helmets….or even a BMX/Skatebrd helmet like a Bell Faction or Sixsixone look cool and aren’t too expensive.

A Helmet is something I generally wear on a bike unless it is too hot. I have thought about putting a front brake on my bike, I actually didn’t have one screw and that is what prevented me from it. There are certain cituations where I would LIKE a brake, but not NEED a brake. When going down a hill sure it would be nice to bomb it and stop with a back brake at the end, but what if something goes wrong with that break, yes the same can be argued with a chain. What if your wire nipple comes loose? You are screwed. My friend rides with horrible brakes that don’t do anything and no clips. He is more cautious because of this. Same principals apply to someone riding brakeless. If you have drops in the first place like one with a track bike should, you don’t even see any part of the brake really. Some brakes I feel actually add to the look of the bike. Okay but back on topic when I ride my bike I am rarely riding in crowned insane avenues, I ride with the traffic always paying as much attention as I can. I love riding on the river specifically designated bike lanes where no cars can get near etc. Riding brakeless requires skill.

jesus, how many times are you brakeless guys going to try to justify how much safer riding brakeless is? “my friends with brakes ride through red lights and get hit by cars.” then you’re friends are idiots, like you are for making this stupid point. logical people follow traffic signals and take the proper precautions such as having a brake. i have a brake and stop for red lights. and so should you.

i’ll be safer in my car by running red lights, closing my eyes, driving on the left, laying on my horn, putting in ear plugs, and then climbing out on the hood and posing in arabesque. how’s that for safer, surfadude?

now for this brakless debate. i ride brakless not all the time but i do and my riding stlye defintley changes when i do ride “safer” in a way by staying more focused, riding slower and not taking chances. but you guys are right that things happen beyond your control but, even in those situations brakes MAY not save you. at slower speeds i can stop w/o brakes as abrubtly as i can with them. i run red lights everyday but, not w/o being aware of traffic. i was riding w/ a friend who isn’t used to city riding and thought it was more dangerous to ride in between cars in traffic when it’s the contrary thats where you don’t get doored. it boils down to recklessness vs. knowledge and skill level.

i’m with sup on this one. if you’re aware and in tune with your surroundings go ahead and ride brakeless, but don’t be a cocky bastard and say it’s safer, it boils down to logic and makes no sense to say that.

Has anybody seen pictures of the hole in the Gulf of Mexico? Brakes (of any sort) seem to have the most meaning after the fact. If you go on 100 incident-free rides without a brake –you know what your talking about. Just don’t go on the 101st. No, its not about luck or fate. Its about taking foolish chances verses a calculated risk. This whole argument (either way) doesn’t really have much merit. Its 100% true. You don’t need brakes if you’re already stopped. If you are without brakes, in motion and can change that without incident then you also do not need brakes. If you ride like an asshole (with) or without brakes then you are an asshole. Assholes are assholes. Please know that finding out you’re an asshole because you thought riding brakeless was a good thing while waiting in the emergency room is no excuse. Self-aware assholes that knew better before the realization are the worst kind (stupid asshole?). If you have it in your head that brakeless equals safest than you might want to consider a course on risk assessment. Or, perhaps a class in logic. That said; it is entirely possible for someone to conversely think that a brake gives them permission to ride like an asshole. However, just because its possible does not make it a decent premise for your argument. ipso facto.

JQ, yes I have seen the Guatemalan sink hole, amazing . Thanks for the concise description of assholes., it ties right in with the sinkhole. Arizona needs such a sinkhole at the border. ! I have a front brake but fly thru red lights and stop signs after looking in 3 directions, does that qualify me as an asshole? If I have both brakes I will be an asshole according to some on this site. at 148 lbs. I need only the front on fixed wheel unless the anchor fails on the cable wire as Flinty points out. The heavy guys need to diet and need front and rear brakes to stop the cargo. My x thinks I am an asshole but that does not count. ( take out the o and you get the picture ) thanks

I’m not qualified to diagnose your asshole-status based on a sketchy, biased self-description. It feels like a loaded question. I don’t have to bite. You don’t really fly through intersections. Do you? Sometimes it feels like your flying but thats just a figure of speech. Correct? I think what I was getting at was pretty clear. Riding sans-brake does not (by definition) qualify you for a Darwin award. Riding like an asshole (with or without s brake) does. I have a single speed with only a front brake. So far I’ve only end-over-ed one time. That was enough. And yes, I felt like an asshole. I’m also pretty sure I WAS an asshole too. If this makes you feel better. I can come off a bit smug. This business about having “the right stuff” is romantic self-deception. Just because you ride brakeless and so far haven’t had… oh hell…. please read my above comment.

Yes Luftie and for two years you rode brakeless ! The Raleigh Super Grand Prick was shown brakeless. Por Que ?

I ride with a brake. When I put the rack on Morris I also put the rear brake back on. Simply because I knew the bike would be used to carry stuff and weigh more and take more stopping. You don’t see 8 wheelers hauling ass with brakes from a tiny Honda, after all. So I guess it made sense. Especially as I no longer have legs like Superman. Getting old sucks big time. There are some decent hills near here. I like going down them fast(or as fast as I can spin a 55inch gear.That’s what I’m running at the mo. 28.2mph yesterday!)Not all of them level out before coming to a junction or tight bend. There is one I can think of that hits a junction with a church wall opposite.I can hit 45 on a geared bike on that hill. On fixed I take it a lot slower, using the brake to counteract the affect of gravity on my 10st8lb as I’m not ready to join the folks in the graveyard yet. I use a brake and occasionally ride like an asshole(mainly off road)I stop for red lights coz Cambridge wasn’t built for cars and all the drivers are homicidal and confused and, or lost. I’ve given up shouting at foreign students going round roundabouts the wrong way and generally being useless pond life. Darwins equations didn’t encompass human kindness and forebearance. That’s the only reason half these guys make it as far as getting a degree. Damn I’m rambling again. BRAKES. Your choice. Up to you. Just don’t crash in the back of me while I’m waiting for the lights to change. You’ll find out why people say I’m like a weasel. Small and nasty.

Thanks Woody. Perhaps we should start our own club of lifelong biking, chilled out enlightened ones. Ha,ha.

again hard to argue with the man.but let it go JQ.never argue with a fool,people might get confused.The too cool for brake crowd is also too dumb to change.Use your energy to pedal.enjoy

i ride a brakeless freewheel unicycle while wearing a tshirt with a picture of an asshole on it and the word ME underneath

hi my names anthony and i ride brakeless:)